Last updated: 29 May 2008 |
This page is for user comments and information of a general nature or items applicable to all LXD55 and LXD75 models. If you have any comments, suggestions, questions or answers to questions posed here, e-mail them to me and I'll post them. Please use an appropriate Subject Line on your message. Thanks.
Subject: LXD75 - can it be used at 10 degree latitude? Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 08:39:35 From: chandrashekar g (chandrainsky@yahoo.com) I am looking to buy an 8" scope and unable to decide whether I should go for LXD75 which comes with GEM or LX-90. I intend to use it for both visual observations and astrophotography. I have a couple of specific questions: 1. With LX-90 is it a problem to balance the scope if I am using a heavy lens (I currently use a 170-500 zoom with my Canon body) for piggyback photography? I have the same concern with prime focus/eyepiece projection also. How bad is the problem of field rotation? 2. With an LXD75 can I work at 10 degree North latitude without getting into any issues? One of my friends has bought a GSO setup which can't be used at all at my latitude since the motor/counterweights hit the mount. I prefer a GEM over alt-az setup since it should be better for astrophotography. Finally, I have never seen either of the setups since here in India there are no stores where I can get to see one. Need your advice in deciding which of these is a better all rounder. Thanks, ChandraMike here: I suspect that there will be counterweight rod and tripod leg interference at 10 degrees but can't verify that since mine LXD75-8"SC was stolen in December 2007 (http://www.weasner.com/lxd/site/lxd75-theft.html) and hasn't been replaced. I waited for over two months for a replacement but it stayed on backorder during that time so I switched the order to a 8" LX90-ACF. I have received two bad ones (same problem on both) and I'm still waiting for a working one. You can read about the LXD75 on my LXD55/75 web site (http://www.weasner.com/lxd/index.html) and my LX90 experiences on my 8" LX90-ACF web site (http://www.weasner.com/lx90/index.html). As to balance on the LX90, in my limited use (before both were packed again for return to Meade) I noticed that the 8" was very rear heavy. But no so bad that attaching my Nikon D70 DSLR and Off-Axis Guider created any noticeable problem (although I never had a chance to actually try any photography). Field rotation will be a problem with the Alt/Az mounting. Depending on the lens focal length, image scale, and exposure duration, piggyback may be OK or not. Typically longer than about 5 minutes will show trailing from field rotation.
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Thanks a lot for the quick response. Regards, Chandra
Subject: LXD75 problem Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 10:42:56 From: Andrew Dumont (bongo69@earthlink.net) Hello Michael and good Memorial day to you.I just hypertuned my LXD75 SN and my problem is this;I aligned Polaris in the polarscope (after leveling and balancing the scope) and Polaris is no longer visible in the OTA's FOV,in fact it isn't visible in the spotting scope either,which has completely thrown any observing out the window.I checked the DEC setting and it was reading about 20 degree's.I know that the setting is suppose to be at 90 Degree's.How badly will this throw the scopes alignment off,or will it even effect it?.This has got me very upset to say the least!.The next possible solution?;how about Axis and elevation alignment issues?.Could these be the problem(s)?. I have been reading the manual and am very confused.On page 53 of the LXD 75 manual;Method 2: Axis alignment procedures. It reads on line #4.Adjust the tripod legs,polar axis altitude and/or polar axis azimuth so that the wide,horizontal object you have chosen as a target is positioned across the middle of the eye piece.Here is where the confusion begins.Do I pick one of the 3 adjustments to use or do I adjust all 3 for this procedure and if so...how?.This manual is quite unclear and with that statement,I just don't understand what they mean!. It seems that only half of this procedure makes any sense and I am completely frustrated.HELP!!!! Andrew DumontMike here: Aligning the polarscope to Polaris MAY not put Polaris in the eyepiece of the telescope (depending on the eyepiece field of view). If the telescope optics are aligned with the polarscope optics then Polaris will be almost a degree offset from the polar axis. However, a properly aligned finderscope should show Polaris in its field of view. So, lets start with the basics. Using a distant terrestrial object, align the finderscope and the telescope (with the 26mm eyepiece) so that they both show the same object centered. That should resolve that problem. As to the scale, it can be off without affecting the AutoStar (which does not use the scale). It is there for manual use of the setting circles. If you use the arrows on the mount you will not need to use the scale when using the AutoStar. However, you can reposition the scale if you like to be more accurate. Next, it may be necessary to align the telescope's optical axis with the polarscope and GEM polar axis. However, it is possible that the polar scope is NOT aligned to the GEM polar axis. If you plan to use the polarscope (I don't) then you need to verify it is aligned to the GEM polar axis. But to do that you need to get the telescope and GEM polar axis aligned. You can do that manually as described in the manual OR you can use the AutoStar "LXD Adjust" feature to let the AutoStar handle it. But the first method is really required if you to also check the polarscope alignment.
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Thanks for the quick reply.The reason I ask this is because,prior to the hypertune.Polaris was in the FOV of both the main OTA and finder scope and centered with the polarscope.I have tried to follow the manual but,found it to be very confusing!. I have always had good luck with my scope and have never had to make any of these adjustments (not counting aligning the spotting scope to the OTA),so aligning the telescope's optical axis with the polarscope and GEM polar axis is opening a whole new can of beans for me so,please forgive if I ask seemingly stupid questions.The reason I hypertuned the mount was so I could take much longer exposures than before and to give me a better goto and centering accuracy.I just hope that you don't get tired of beating the same old horse when I ask lots of questions.When you say aligning the telescope's optical axis with the polarscope and GEM polar axis as described in the manual.Is that the same procedure as shown on pages #53-54 of the LXD75 manual?.Mike here: I downloaded the manual (mine is still packed from the move and since my LXD75-8"SC was stolen during the move I hadn't needed the manual). Yes, pages 53-54 describe the procedure. Aligning the GEM polar axis to True North will certainly help with long duration astrophotography. An alternative to aligning the polarscope is to use the "drift method" or to use "Dr. Clay Sherrod's Kochab Clock method". There are some polar alignment articles in the LXD55/75 Information section on my LXD Site.
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Thank you Michael,I'm just having a tough time understanding what the manual is telling me.One of the parts I don't understand is on line 4 of Method 2.They say to adjust the tripod legs,polar axis altitude and polar axis azimuth.I just don't understand the purpose of adjusting the legs? and as far as adjusting the polar axis altitude and polar axis azimuth...I am just plain lost as to how to go about doing that.I guess once I do it,any other time I need to I will know what and how to do it?!.Mike here: Step 4 is just saying to center the distant object in the telescope eyepiece using the leg height adjustments, and/or the GEM head adjustments.
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Whew....thanks for dumbing it down for me :) I was thinking that they wanted all 3 and I had no clue as to how it was to be done.Essentially,both procedures will be performed by the RA axis only and that due north should have a visibility of at least 1 mile without obstruction?!.I live on a decent size lake and will need to travel around in order to find a good northerly exposure?!.That is of course I am correct in my thinking?.Mike here: For the rotational axis alignments you do NOT need to point the telescope to North. You just need to find a distant object near the horizon that you can point the telescope at.
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That is what I was hoping for but,once again I became confused because the manual indicates that the fine azimuth control knobs be pointed to the north.HAHAHAHAHA,I'm quite a case to work with eh?. :)Mike here: Hey, everyone needs some help at some point!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!.Well,I appreciate the help!!.I will give the procedures a try tomorrow and hopefully it fixes the problems.The alignment stars are at least 15 degrees off so,if I can get them back to the FOV,I will give the scope another tryout and test the hypertune.Richard Harris from scopetrader.com has offered to fine tune my mount if it doesn't work very well at no cost except for shipping which speaks highly for scopetrader!.Mike here: A 15 degree error in the initial position of the alignment stars sounds like a time problem. Check the Daylight Saving setting (a one hour error there yields a 15 degree error).
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Yeah,I thought of that last night when I was having the trouble and made sure everything was set correctly.Mike here: Another possibility could be using Magnetic North instead of True North. Some locations have a Magnetic Variation of 15-20 degrees.
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That is a thought except that I had Polaris centered in the polar scope.I wonder if the Polar scope could be out of whack?.Mike here: Probably not by 15 degrees. Other possibilities: wrong star for Polaris, wrong longitude or latitude for your location, wrong date or time.
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My apologies!.I was trying to quickly guesstimate the number.Which I will put at probably 10 degree's.judging from memory of where the scope was pointing to where the actual alignment star was,using the fist as judgment.I performed a spiral search of a couple stars and the scope made at least 6+ complete circles before the wanted star was just at the edge of FOV.I have a torn ligament in my shoulder so,trying to keep a accurate count of the numbers before the pain took over .To be honest though,the number of revolutions was at least 6. I myself keep trying to think of what the problem could be and I can't think of anything.From where I was observing from,I know exactly where polaris is.I will check my settings for my observing site to be sure all is correct.Mike here: A "Spiral Search" is really not intended for locating and centering alignment stars. You would be better off (certainly quicker) using the AutoStar slew keys to move the telescope to the alignment stars. Spiral Search works fine for faint objects like DSOs.
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Good afternoon...or evening Mike,I just got back from performing Method #2 and am not sure that it went well.Instead of pointing the scope at a northern horizon.I chose a more westerly direction across a nearby lake,which the far shore line is probably 2 miles away.I lowered my latitude adjustment to almost zero.I didn't want to go too far as the counter weight would have hit the tripod leg and raised the 2 rear tripod legs until the far shoreline was centered and horizontal in the eye piece after I had rotated the scope so the counter weight shaft was level with the shoreline.I then rotated the scope 180deg to position "B" and using the up and down arrows,brought the shoreline into view at about half of the FOV but,not centered and kept repeating this MANY times.Their was a house that I used as a reference and each time I used the up and down arrows only to get the house into FOV it was in the same position each time.Now I don't know if I should have to touch the arrows after 180deg rotation?.The way I interpret the manual is the object should be in the FOV each time I rotate the scope 180 deg.What is happening is,the far shoreline is level in position "A" but when I rotate the scope on the RA axis 180 deg,the scope is pointed to the sky and I have to use the arrows to bring the shore into view and visa versa.Is this normal?.If not,I will take your suggestion and retry again tomorrow. Thanks again, AndrewMike here: You got part of the procedure correct. You do rotate 180 degrees but at each 180 degree position you should adjust the cradle. You do NOT use the AutoStar slew arrows to center the object. I thought that was what the manual said (I haven't redownloaded it to check).
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That was for Axis alignment.The procedure you are referring to elevation alignment I believe?!.Mike here: The purpose of the procedure is to align the telescope optical axis with the GEM polar axis. So, if that is what you have done, super!
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I certainly hope I have it right?!.Is it normal though to have the shoreline/object in the eye piece in position "A" and have the scope pointed much higher above the shoreline/object in position "B"?.Mike here: I never had that problem the one time I did the procedure. Since the purpose is to get the object to be in the same position as the telescope rotates around the polar axis, I'd say the optical and mechanical axes are not yet aligned.
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Ok,thats what I was afraid of! :( .It did seem that I was defeating the purpose!.Obviously I am missing a step in the process somewhere.I am by no means ignorant and am trying DESPERATELY to understand (as easily as it seems to be to everyone else) what I am to do.I guess I am not understanding what adjustments I am making if I am adjusting only using the hand controller.This is where I say I am defeating the purpose....arggggguh!. Other questions are as follows and not mentioned in the manual; Am I just powering the scope up,i.e. just let it initialize and nothing more?. Since the rear legs have been lengthened to allow the far shoreline to be seen in the eye piece.Do I adjust each leg until the shoreline appears horizontal in the eye piece or should I level the rear of the tripod (using a level) side to side?.When I look through the eye piece,the far shore ling appears (believe it or not) at a angle and not because I am looking through the eye piece at a angle..Hahahaha,thought I would save you from rolling your eyes and thinking WTF is up with this guy!.According to the pix in the manual,this is not normal (Bottom of page 53).
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I apologize for being such a pain in the butt!!!.I just want my scope back!! :)Mike here: The LXD Adjust procedure does use the AutoStar. The other procedure is manual and you have to use the cradle bolts to adjust the rail/OTA to get the optics parallel to the rotational axis. As to powering on, after the AutoStar initializes you then have to go through the alignment steps to let the AutoStar know the current sky situation. This has nothing to do with the axis alignments mentioned earlier. You can do the axis alignments with the telescope power off. The shoreline does not have to horizontal since you are looking at just a single small object to do the axis alignments. It is that object that should appear in nearly the same location when you flip the telescope 180 degrees.
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Heh,once again this is something that the manual never mentioned (in my manual).I was under the idea of just letting the autostar initialize and nothing more.Now when you say "you then have to go through the alignment steps to let the AutoStar know the current sky situation".Are you talking about running the scope through the alignment procedure in complete.Such as,for instance choosing a easy alignment and letting the scope pick phantom stars to align on and then performimg the axis alignment procedures or at what point during the telescopes star alignment do I proceed with the axis alignment?.Do I perform the star alignment before or after I adjust the scope for the axis alignment?. Once again,I must appoligize for the stupidity of the questions but,it appears that my manual is missing some key imformation.Mike here: These are two independent operations. The OTA and mount alignments should only be done IF YOU KNOW that they are not aligned. And then you typically only need to do it once, assuming the telescope is not moved a lot. I took my LXD75 on the 8.5 hour drive to Arizona about once month for a year and a half and only did it once. Even then the adjustment was very small. The AutoStar alignment is typically done at the start of the observing session. That is the Easy, 1, 2, or 3 star method selected from the AutoStar SETUP -> ALIGN menu. For best results, assuming it is even needed, the axis alignment should be done before you do the AutoStar alignment.
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The procedure that you are talking about I believe is Method #2 ,Procedure #2:To correct for elevation misalignment,using the cradle adjustment screws.Which does not require the use of the Autostar hand controller. I am refering to Method #2 Procedure #1: To correct for attitude misalignment.Which does require the use of the Autostar with power on and I can't perform Procedure #2 until Procedure #1 has been accomplished. 1.Plug in autostar and turn on power as described previously in this manual.You will use Autostar's arrow keys in the course of this procedure. Now with that said,When the scope is in position "A" the object across the lake is centered in the eye piece.When I manually flip the scope 180 degrees in RA,the scope is pointed just above the horizon.I then slew the scope in DEC until the object is back in veiw.I then flip again 180 degrees and have to repeat the process of slewing the opposite way to get the object back into the FOV.This is for attitude misalignment NOT elevation misalignment.Mike here: I just downloaded the manual again and read over that section closely. Now I remember! This didn't make sense to me either when I had the LXD55 tripod back in 2002 (my first Meade GEM). It does nothing to physically align the two axes. I switched to the "LXD Adjust".
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Yay,I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds the manual a bit of a mess!.Mike here: Meade has never been known as having good manuals.
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Exactly...hahahahahahaha.I spent about 3 hours just spinning my wheels.Ok,so what is the LXD adjust?.Mike here: "Method 3: Axis Alignment Using Autostar" on page 55.
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I've noticed that!.They seem to leave a lot of vague information!.I have read ,read and reread the manual and only by e-mailing you have I had any sense of understanding. Well,at least you know my frustrations. So,reading through Method #2 procedure #1 what extra information would you have added to make it easier for the common man to understand?.Mike here: There needs to be an adjustment via the cradle to change the angle of the cradle vs the polar axis of the GEM. Since I no longer have the LXD75 mount (it was stolen along with most of my observing and astrophotography equipment back in December) I can't say what that adjustment requires. And that is just exactly why I'm ending my support for the LXD series at the end of this month (as noted on my LXD55/75 web site).
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*WHEW* hahahahaa,me breathing a big sigh of relief.Now that one,I think I can handle without a hitch!!.It certainly makes a heck of a lot better sense than the other methods!!.I will definitely let you know about the results and am very confident that it will cure my problems....I hope (fingers crossed)!. One question before I let you off the hook.It mentions to set the latitude above 45 degree's (which will put the scope very near the light post noted in the manual) but,says nothing about wheather the mount should be leveled.Mike here: Leveling for the axis alignment is not required.
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Well,I certainly hope I wasn't the one who pushed you over the edge!!.Their is a part in method 3 that mentions adjusting the cradle via the adjustment screws.I guess I had better get my problems fixed quick or I won't have anyone to help me if something goes amuck!.Mike here: I had made this decision before you contacted me. As noted on the web page, it is because I feel I can no longer provide adequate support since I don't have a LXD anymore. If anyone is to blame it is the jerk who stole it. Of course, it would have helped if Meade had been able to ship a replacement but after waiting over two months I gave up. (And now I will have waited over an additional two months for a working LX90...)
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I hope the bastard rots in astronomy hell!!!.Well,if you don't mind,I would still like to have you as a telescope sensei ?!.If I had a extra LXd75 with a lo jack system,I would certainly let you use it for as long as you wanted.At least I know you have it working like a champ.HAHAHAHAHAHA,sorry I was just goofing about the lo jack system part not the letting you use the scope part!!!.Mike here: Unfortunately, everything was taken. See the Theft Report:
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Hey,how big of a difference would a change in latitude make?.I was just thinking of my alignment problem and suddenly realized that I was trying the scope out about 60 miles north of my usual location and never added that site to my scope.So,perhaps my scope was thinking that I was still in Laconia when in fact,I was in North Conway?.Would that make a big difference?.Mike here: 60 miles is about 1 degree of latitude. Some error but minor in pointing during the alignment steps. But for best results use the best location you can. Sometimes nearest City is certainly OK.
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Heh,well it was a thought.I will give the axis alignment tomorrow.I might set the scope up tonight to see how far out of whack it is here.
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Well,I set the scope up with the same results as before.I did notice that the polar scope is VERY wobbly.The alignment stars are barely in spotting scope FOV so,lots of slewing to get the alignment stars centered.At least the brighter glob clusters are bright enough to spiral search for without to much slewing.I presently have M93 centered and am seeing if it will track for a long period of time.I am tempted to image it with the DSI just to have some images to post on my blog. I will do the axis alignment tomorrow to see how well it will work afterwards.
Subject: Re: autostar has mind of its own Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 01:45:54 From: Louise WALLER (lawaller@bigpond.net.au) Continuity test on the cable showed blue and green not working.I stripped the cable and they were broken,[at the jack]also the orange cable had poor insulation as many cracks over most of the length.Rewired cable and quick test showed autostar working.I feel a bit stupid over this as" the computer wasn't working because it wasn't plugged in!. "I'll get a new cable and put the autostar through its paces and let you know how it went.Ray
Subject: LXD75 SN 10" Meade Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 07:07:57 From: John Fulcher (jfulcher@freenetname.co.uk) Dear USA, Have broken the declination motor cover on my 10" LXD. Cannot obtain one as off-the-shelf spare. Does anywhere supply these as a spare part, please? John Fulcher UKMike here: I'm not "USA" but you could contact Meade; they might send you one. Alternatively, try Telescope Warehouse (http://www.telescope-warehouse.com/).
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Thankyou. Ref USA, didn't realise you yourself would answer, thought question put to website, John FMike here: I personally answer all email sent to me.
Subject: Re: autostar has mind of its own Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 23:34:50 From: Louise WALLER (lawaller@bigpond.net.au) I have downloaded 43 Eg and still the autostar is erratic.I have reset,callibrated motors,trained drives.Motors still engage from when you start up and during functions.Have had to stop motors when scope too close to base.When downloading had to go to flash mode as lost all on autostar screen,download took about 25 min and appeared to load correctly.What do you think is the cause of this problem because I have absolutely no idea,my techie has no idea.Would it be better to purchase a new autostar? Regards RayMike here: Are you saying that you can do the CALIBRATE MOTOR and TRAIN DRIVES without any problems? But when you do anything else the problem occurs?
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When I turn autostar on ,motor moves a little,when callibrating motors r/a only moves,when doing train drive direction buttons do not work.Everytime I go through the reset etc the faults come up in different ways.When auotostar is turned on the screen shows "Press 0 to align or mode for menu."This was not on the 43aa that I tried to fix.Have I downloaded incorrectly as faults are same as before?Mike here: The "Press 0 to Align or MODE for Menu" was added at some point. So that is normal with the current version. If only the RA motor runs when doing the CALIBRATE MOTOR but since neither axis works when doing a TRAIN DRIVES then obviously something is seriously wrong. But whether that problem is in the AutoStar, the cable, or in the mount, is hard to say. Does your AutoStar cable have the little ferrite core on one end?
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No ferrite core on cableMike here: OK. Well, you probably already did this but try reversing the cable. Also, check the pin condition on the cable ends and inside the jacks.
Subject: Sorry to hear about the theft Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 20:10:52 From: Scott Oyer (scott@illianatek.com) I have enjoyed your site over the last year or so after purchasing a LDX55 8" SN. One thing I am having an issue with is collimation. My optics are now way out of alignment...can you offer any links or documents that might show me the steps for aligning SN optics? What I find doing searches is for newtonians and I think that is what screwed me up to begin with. Any help would be appreciated. Good luck with the new scope... -- Scott J. Oyer, MCP IllianaTekMike here: Have you checked the article "Schmidt-Newtonian Collimation" on the LXD55/75 home page?
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I'll check it out..thanks.
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Thanks. I think this article will fit the bill...I have completely screwed the optics up...hope to get them back in shape this week so I can start using it again. I look forward to hearing about your new scope on your website. Scott
Subject: LXD 55 10" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 21:32:49 From: Rick Smith (rkjdb@comcast.net) Hi was wondering if there is a DVD on how to do a complete set up / align the LXD telescope.I had e-mailed lxd 55.com they said they were working on one but that has been over 2 to 3 plus years and still havent seen one do you have any suggestions? Thanks for any help Rick Smith Lebanon,Oregon.Mike here: Meade has some video tutorials online at http://meade.com/educational/ but there are no LXD-specific ones.
Subject: [none] Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 11:45:22 From: Andrew Dumont (bongo69@earthlink.net) What the cripes Mike?.I just read about your stolen equipment on your site.Jeesh,I would be out for blood and am very sorry to hear that it happened!.Wow,that was a lot of stuff that you lost.Have you been keeping a eye on e-bay or Craigs list?.Now that I have seen what you lost,I will keep my eyes open!. Andrew Dumont bongo69@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: autostar has mind of its own Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 23:18:39 From: Louise WALLER (lawaller@bigpond.net.au) Mike,thankyou very much for your prompt reply,I shall apply your suggestions asap and let you know how things went.Ray
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Have tried your suggetions,cables ok and reversed and clean.Reset was most interesting.On motor test.callibrate and train drive only the R/a motor works,when I restart Dec motor works sometimes.While pondering my inability to solve this problem the R/a motor engaged and I had to manually switch off, or the scope would have hit the mount.Motor started at about speed 9 then went to about 4 before shutdown.I have tried reset 3 times and I am lost.Should I move on and upgrade as you suggest or purchase another Autostar.I am concerned that the autostar I have is corrupted,or just doesnt like me.RayMike here: I would suggest updating the AutoStar as mentioned earlier. I recommend doing a RESET, CALIBRATE MOTOR, and TRAIN DRIVES following the update.
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Thanks Mike ,will source cable and update autostar may take about a week before i can get to it .Will let you know how it went.ray
Subject: autostar has mind of its own Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 03:24:55 From: Louise Waller (lawaller@bigpond.net.au) I have a Meade LXD75SCT 8" with autostar 497 06 year with vesion 43a .Problems with scroll keys not operating correctly.Choose any speed and keys freeze up.Have calibrated motors and train drive,new batteries etc.Message screen keeps saying batteries low or obstuction.Sometimes it will drive itself.I have the impression that the program may be corrupted.Regards Ray Waller AustraliaMike here: Some thoughts: try reversing the AutoStar cable. Also, check the condition of the cable jacks and connectors; they should not be dirty, bent sideways, or too depressed. Have tried a RESET on the AutoStar? If none of that solves the problem you may want to consider updating to the current AutoStar software (4.3Eg). You can do that yourself if you have the software, #505 serial cable (easily made), and a RS-232 port. If your computer has only USB then you will need a USB-serial adapter. Note that not all work reliably with the AutoStar (see the Helpful Information: AutoStar Info page for more USB, making a cable, and the updater software (Windows, Mac OS X, or Linux).
Subject: Re: Clay's Kochab's Clock question Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 22:36:20 From: Oz (wforacer@rocketmail.com) the finder flipping the image, DOH! Thanks for your help! Oz
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